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Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby edhull1 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:16 pm

Firstly a bit of context. I’m a hobbyist woodworker with big ambitions…to eventually build my own kitchen :-) I drool over the professional kitchens posted here and would love to try to create something as special one day.

So when my wife asked if I could create a “feature” built-in unit to fill some dead space in our new dining room extension I decided to use it as a mini dry run of building and installing kitchen cabinets…of a sort. I have zero experience of building kitchen cabinets so basically used guesswork gleaned from all the WIPs I’ve seen.

I’d love to hear any feedback from you guys on where I went wrong or how the pro’s would do something differently.

The space, as you will see, is long but not very deep so to create practical storage we decided to go for 2 bookshelves and two cupboards.

The first step was to build the boxes. As everything would be painted I used standard 18mm MRMDF (as opposed to veneered) with beech face frames. All 4 were built to the same size with the exception of the 2 outside face frame stiles which were made wider to allow for scribing. The face frames were the first question mark. Having looked at the WIPs and asking a few questions on the forums I knew most face frames are around 36mm wide so guessed an 18mm filler piece would be needed as a backer to the face frame and also to create a secure fixing to the nextdoor cabinet box. Is that what’s normally done?



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I then installed them which was a pretty simple process using a combination of adjustable feet for the floor and shims for the wall.





I then fitted the skirting and the doors using euro hinges to set the door inside the frame. This is a second quesiton mark. The doors are nearly 800mm wide and suffer from slight sagging issues. It could be down to the quality of the hinges or it could be because such wide doors are a no-no. Any opinions on this?

I then painted the cabinets to the wifes spec. The paint she selected was a Laura Ashley egshell duckegg colour which I was pretty sceptcial of but actually it’s a lovely paint with great coverage and opacity. I watered it down about 10% and used a foam brush and its produced a lovely smooth finish.

Finally I scribbed and fitted a 30mm thick oak top finished in danish oil to match the colour of the kitchen tops. Squeezing it in the space created a few marks and dents that need repairing but overall not too painful.



All we need now are some decent looking books for the bookshelves :-)

Cheers
Ed

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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby mcluma » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:09 am

Nice work

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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby chippy1970 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:37 pm

Very good , theres a lot of so called pros who couldn't do a job that well.

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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby tusses » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:42 pm

I didn't read it all .. just looked at the pics! lol
Tidy job :-)

Although I wouldn't have bothered with the adjustable legs for a small job like that ?
Easy enough to lay a level base and go up from there.

or am I just old ! lol

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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby PABLO123 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:07 pm

Lovely job, well done that man :) :)
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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby cerdeira » Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:39 pm

Nice work!

edhull1 wrote:I then fitted the skirting and the doors using euro hinges to set the door inside the frame. This is a second quesiton mark. The doors are nearly 800mm wide and suffer from slight sagging issues. It could be down to the quality of the hinges or it could be because such wide doors are a no-no. Any opinions on this?


You could try placing a 3rd hinge near the top one (roughly at 1/4 of the distance between the top and the bottom one) to avoid sagging
This technique is sometimes used on heavy doors.

Other question: any reason for using solid wood for the face frames if it was meant to be painted in the end?

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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby edhull1 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:37 pm

cerdeira wrote:Nice work!

edhull1 wrote:I then fitted the skirting and the doors using euro hinges to set the door inside the frame. This is a second quesiton mark. The doors are nearly 800mm wide and suffer from slight sagging issues. It could be down to the quality of the hinges or it could be because such wide doors are a no-no. Any opinions on this?


You could try placing a 3rd hinge near the top one (roughly at 1/4 of the distance between the top and the bottom one) to avoid sagging
This technique is sometimes used on heavy doors.

Other question: any reason for using solid wood for the face frames if it was meant to be painted in the end?



Thanks for all the kind comments gents.

Hi Cerdeire

Cheers for the tip on the third hinge. I think I'm going to replace the current hinges with hafele ones and if I still have the problem I'll definitely try your suggestion!!

Re the solid wood face frames...I've always used solid wood, tulip wood up until this project but its such a soft wood I decided to go for something that would hold up better to general wear and tear. I've never used MDF because (a) its also very soft and easy to chip/dent etc (b) the edges go a fuzzy when you paint them and need alot of sanding etc to sort them out and (c) if you ever need to use proper hinges rather than euro hinges MDF wont provide much grab or strength.

On the flip side, if I was earning a living doing this and the job wasnt high spec/value I would probably go with MDF face frames as they are far less labour intensive :-)

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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby mark270981 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:09 pm

Excellent work - I won't show the wife!!
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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby promhandicam » Sat Nov 14, 2015 7:42 pm

That looks really nice Ed, the colour you chose is super. For the face frames, another way to do them would be to make one single face frame to cover all the carcasses, still 36mm wide (I prefer to go for 38mm as it gives a bit of leeway). This would then allow you do away with the packing pieces between the cabinets.
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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby Meccarroll » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:59 am

Nice work. You have made a nice job and seem quite a fair woodworker. Having the ability to make cabinets and fit them into an opening is the first step so moving on to your kitchen would seem the next step.


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I think I'm going to replace the current hinges with hafele ones and if I still have the problem I'll definitely try your suggestion!!

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Fitting a third hinge might help with keeping the door in place but if the hinges are the issue them it's going to be a pointless expense. Door hinges are often graded against weight, width and height of intended doors. I'd first weigh your doors and check with the hinge manufacturer to see if you have the correct hinges for the weight, width and height of door. Quality hinges of the correct specification are paramount to a good job.

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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby Tomyjoiner » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:48 pm

looks nice.

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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby davidpidge » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:59 pm

In regard to hinges I've stopped using Hafele's own concealed hinges and moved onto the more expensive Grass ones. They're much stiffer, and look really smart with the clip on covers. They do a straight mounting plate as well instead of the crucifix plate. They also accommodate a much broader range of door thicknesses.

These are the full overlay variety...
http://www.hafele.co.uk/shop/p/cabinet- ... 87414/8574

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Re: Built-In Dining Room Storage

Postby thekarter » Sat Nov 21, 2015 8:41 am

I always use good quality butt hinges, I think that they are better suited to 'in frame units'. Check out projects by PABLO123 his latest on this site is 'En-Suit Sink Unit'
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